Friday, April 25, 2008
I Don't Understand
Have been following up all sessions since last post by reviewing my previous blogpost. Aiming to capitalize/improve upon strengths, and eliminate/adjust for weaknesses. Very glad that I'm using this blog for something productive, and not just for BBV. Naturally, BBV is a part of poker, but it's not value-added to discuss it. Instead, I'd rather focus on leaks and plugging them, instead of writing everything off as a cooler.
cuz DAMN some hands can seem like coolers when you casually ignore the multiple mistakes you made on the way to 5th street.
Again, I apologize for having hands in full text format.
Seat 4 - xxx($53.44 in chips)
Seat 5 - xxx($61.35 in chips)
Seat 6 - Hero ($63.04 in chips)
Seat 1 - xxx($28.85 in chips)
Seat 2 - xxx($13.42 in chips)
Seat 3 - Villain($71.56 in chips)
xxx- Posts small blind $0.10
Hero- Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to Hero[7d 7c]
2 Folds
Villain - Raises $1 to $1
2 Folds
Hero - Calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [9h 7h 8d]
Hero - Bets $1.75
Villain - Raises $7 to $7
Hero - Raises $18.50 to $20.25
Villain - All-In(Raise) $63.56 to $70.56
Hero - ?
Villain above is a 19/17/5.7 over 2.6k hands. Taggy. He's also a 9 BB/100 winner.
We have deep stacks, about 250bb effective, I'm covered. Standard preflop action, and I hit a flop that I love. I have the option of two lines - checkraising the inevitable Cbet or leading out, and I choose the latter due to the super wet board.
When he raises, it's time to put him on a range [AA-88, AhKh-JhTh, Ah8h+, T9s-78s]. *what do you think of this estimate?* Pokerstove gives it as 60/40 equity for me, so I raise (too small).
After his bet, the pot is 10.75, and I 3bet to make the pot 29.25; 11.5 for him to call [2.5:1]. At this point, I have committed 1/3rd of my stack, and have ~$40 left behind. And he shoves over the top, making it another $41 for me to call for a chance to double up.
Obviously, w/ 100BB effective stacks I am committed all day. But 240bb deep? I really felt like I should be 3-betting here to get value from AA-TT, heart draws, and two pair. Also feel the villain is aggressive enough to pull this move with all of the above.
As y'all know, my deepstack game is shaky, so I'd like some feedback here.
This second hand involves my FAVORITE villain, a TagFish. 23.5/18.7/3.5 over 7k hands @ ($15.84)bb/100. Our history revolves around me taking advantage of: his wide range for raising (by widening my 3betting range IP) and his high Cbet % (by widening my floating range).
Haven't seen him play non-ABC poker too often, and my note on him is that he marries his overpairs and TPTKs.
Seat 3 - Hero($52.03 in chips)
Seat 4 - Moron($23.17 in chips)
Seat 5 - xxx($26.45 in chips)
Seat 1 - xxx($15.45 in chips)
Seat 2 - TagFish($122.34 in chips)
Moron- Posts small blind $0.10
xxx- Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[10c 10s]
xxx- Folds
TagFish- Raises $1 to $1
Hero- Raises $4.25 to $4.25
Moron- Calls $4.15
x- Folds
TagFish- Calls $3.25
*** FLOP *** [5s 9d 8d]
Moron- Checks
TagFish- Bets $11
Hero- Calls $11
Moron- Folds
*** TURN *** [5s 9d 8d] [4h]
TagFish- Checks
Hero- Checks
*** RIVER *** [5s 9d 8d 4h] [Kd]
TagFish- Checks
Hero- Bets $12.75
Here I'm meh about my 3bet PF. TT isn't quite good enough from MP against an UTG raiser, and our history means he will understand that I'm 3betting lighter than [JJ+, AKo+]. When he doesn't squeeze, I put him on [QQ-22; AQo, possible some big SCs].
Therefore, I don't like my turn action. I should be either be pushing or folding here, as his action screams [qq-tt]. However, I choose to be indecisive and call. Poor.
Then he checks out of position and I check behind. Poor.
Then a decent card comes to bluff at. I don't consider this a good card to bluff on any more. It just doesn't make sense. PF/Flop I'm repping a big PP. That is incongruous w/ my river actions.
So, do I 3bet the flop? Bet the turn? Or just check the river?
Lol see if you can guess my hand in this one.
Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - xxx($20.53 in chips)
Seat 3 - xxx($34.72 in chips)
Seat 4 - Hero($61.29 in chips)
Seat 5 - xxx($25 in chips)
Seat 6 - TagFish($50.57 in chips)
Seat 1 - xxx($23.71 in chips)
xxx- Posts small blind $0.10
Hero- Posts big blind $0.25
xxx - sitout (wait for BB)
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[XX]
TagFish- Raises $1 to $1
xxx- Folds
xxx- Folds (Timeout)
xxx- Folds
Hero- Calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Qs Ks 10d]
Hero- Checks
TagFish- Bets $2
Hero- Raises $6.50 to $6.50
TagFish- Calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [Qs Ks 10d] [10s]
Hero- Bets $8
TagFish- Calls $8
*** RIVER *** [Qs Ks 10d 10s] [Ah]
Hero- All-In $45.79
TagFish- All-In $35.07
Hero- returned ($10.72) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero- Shows [10h 10c] (Four of a kind, tens)
TagFish- Mucks
Hero Collects $98.24 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***Total Pot($101.24) Rake ($3)Board [Qs Ks 10d 10s Ah]
Seat 4: Hero(big blind) won Total ($98.24) All-In HI:($98.24) with Four of a kind, tens
Seat 6: TagFish HI: [Mucked] [Ac As]
yeah, yeah, brag hand, asdfjkl;
My really big pots all follow the same logic
- best hand played strictly ABC
- horrible suckout (ATs > QQ AIPF)
- monster vs monster
I dunno. I really need to say to myself THAT IS OK THERE IS NO NEED FOR FPS AT 25NL. But... when I have hands like the one below....villain is 52/17/1 over 200 hands
Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - xxx ($58.99 in chips)
Seat 3 - xxx($41.67 in chips)
Seat 4 - xxx($31.30 in chips)
Seat 5 - Hero($24.69 in chips)
Seat 6 - ATC($40.17 in chips)
xxx- Posts small blind $0.10
xxx- Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [10h Kh]
Hero - Raises $1 to $1
ATC- Calls $1
xxx - Calls $1
xxx- Folds
xxx- Calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [5s 5c 6c]
xxx- Checks
Hero - Bets $4.05
ATC- Calls $4.05
xxx - Folds
xxx- Folds
*** TURN *** [5s 5c 6c] [9d]
Hero - Checks
ATC- Bets $4
Hero - Raises $11 to $11
ATC- Folds
Hero - returned ($7) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero - Does not show
Hero Collects $19.21 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***Total Pot($20.20) Rake ($0.99)Board [5s 5c 6c 9d]
Seat 5: Hero collected Total ($19.21) HI:($19.21) [Does not show]
Seat 6: ATCFolded on the TURN
I have a few hands like this -- where I 'feel' the villain is weak and shove him off the hand. Going on 'feel' like this is a huge fucking leak. Why did it work? Do I need more examples? Help.
I just read your comment on my blog.
First, I want to thank you for the criticism. Most people who read my blogs are friends and would never criticize me. Its nice to have an outsiders point of view.
I'm not sure I could ever come up with a satisfactory answer to your queries. I know I have a problem with laziness, and rather than deal with it head on I suppose I just make light of it. I can see how this would be annoying to someone who actually has drive and motivation in life.
But the crux of the matter for me is basically a lack of motivation to improve. I'm pretty happy as is, and if you want to call that complacency then so be it. I'm not entirely convinced that complacency is a negative thing.
I have no visions of grandeur, nor the desires to impress ANYONE that I meet. In fact I generally go out of my way to make everyone feel good about themselves, usually by diminishing my accomplishments, skills, etc.
I'm happy in life. I've come to my own understanding of happiness. This endless search for improvement and increased wealth/status/items I feel doesn't necessarily lead to increased happiness or wellbeing.
Like I said, I'm not in it to impress anyone or to make anyone feel worse about their situation.
And even with my laid back strategy, I'm still improving, moving up in levels and making more money, so even I consider the future in all of this.
Maybe my whole outlook is flawed. Or maybe its just different. I wouldn't worry about anyone else with the same experience/skill set as me going pro as I know they will probably do a lot better than me in the long run naturally.
This is just my explanation. I assume you still won't approve of it but I do thank you for the comment. It obviously struck a cord with me since I ended up writing a blog post on your comment section. I know I need to be more motivated and I think that the more I hear people tell me this the better I can become at it.
Thanks,
RikkiDee
Hand 2 – I like the 3bet as his raising range is wider than normal….erm, he’s not UTG. Good analysis on his range for calling there. Calling isn’t indecisive, sometimes it’s the best play (like here). You have a hand that has value and wants to get to showdown cheaply. Push/folding the flop (I think you meant that, not turn) isn’t smart – everything you beat folds, almost everything you lose to calls (you could prob fold JJ, maybe QQ). Checking behind can be okay on this turn, but I think I’d actually bet my hand to get some thin value from 9’s, A8, 77. Also, he could have been leading the flop here with a hand like KQdd and hoping to bet/3betshove on you. Therefore, betting to protect against draws/overpairs here is decent. Again, I don’t think checking is awful though. I hate betting the river here for the reason stated above. You have a hand that wants to get to showdown. You’re not getting value from a ton of his range. Why turn your hand into a bluff? The only reasons you would have for betting this river is that he would have JJ or QQ a ton of the time and he’d fold it, or if you feel he’d look you up with a worse hand like a pair of 9’s. So which is it, are you betting for value? Or are you bluffing? You can’t do both, so pick one. I’d check this behind often unless if this guy was a super station and I could get value from a 9 VERY often, but if that were the case I’d have bet the turn.
Hand 3 – I guess TT as it’s in the showdown. Heh. Most streets are perfect. One thing here, I’d bet a bit more on the turn, like $10, that way it’s easier for me to shove any river. Holy FUCK though, I just realized that betting smaller here = ++++++++++++++EV. BAD BEAT JACKPOT BABY. Damn.
Hand 4 – I don’t like it, even if that’s the line you’re trying to take to rep an overpair, your C/R is too small for him to believe you and fold 77-88, etc. Plus guys with bigger VPIPs have a harder time folding post flop as well.
I've said my piece already, and I hate to repeat myself -- but the conversation seems to be veering away from the intended target.
The railmonkeys apparently think that I am trying to get you to move up and make more money. No. That's not it at all. I just wanted to see you be challenged, be successful, and feel good about your chosen field, rather than taking the easy way around, being bored, and being anti-social.
Totally agree with everybody else that money doesn't buy happiness. The caveat is that excellence buys money buys happiness. Find excellence. Be excellent.
are you really making an effort to do that now? I think the answer is no, and that's why you're bored and not playing as much.
anyway, I guess this discussion is over. go kick ass.
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