Thursday, February 21, 2008
Three Betting with Deep Stacks
...so I've been playing around with light 3betting and 4bet bluffs, as my standard 20/18/4 style means that my villains start playing back at me, sometimes with the goods, and sometimes w/ shyt. My experiences at Ultimate Bet got me comfortable in 80-130BB pots with 3bets PF. I understood when I should be setmining, not to be playing broadway-type cards, how to put different opponents on ranges, and proper bet sizing.
Maybe it's more precise to say that I was beginning to be aware of the implications of the above topics. Padawan, rather than Jedi. (although I do love the mind tricks)
Anyway, I came across this discussion at LeggoPoker, and thought it was relevant.
"As a general rule, your 3bet calling range should get progressively wider and your 3bet betting range should get progressively smaller as the stacks get deeper."
"The problem here is that as we get deeper, the number of situations where we want a much bigger pot on the flop decrease considerably. With 100BB stacks hands such as high TPTK and overpair hands do well in 3-bet pots since the SPR is such that we can get all of the money in fast enough that RIO and Villain's odds of having flopped two pair/set aren't great enough that we need to account for it.
With deeper stacks we face the problem that even after a decent size 3-bet we could still have offered villain implied odds preflop for flopping sets and we also find ourselves on the flop with enough money behind to offer decent implied odds for draws. Also, since we will be more likely to enter 3-bet pots with cards such as suited connectors, we want to make sure that the postflop pot is large enough to make it easier to get villain's chips in on the turn/river when we hit our draws but small enough that we have the implied odds necessary to call to those draws."
http://www.leggopoker.com/forums/theory/three-betting-deep-stacks-100.html
Definitely need to add this into my game. Especially now that I'm defaulting w/ a 200BB stack, and hopefully greater!!
Maybe it's more precise to say that I was beginning to be aware of the implications of the above topics. Padawan, rather than Jedi. (although I do love the mind tricks)
Anyway, I came across this discussion at LeggoPoker, and thought it was relevant.
"As a general rule, your 3bet calling range should get progressively wider and your 3bet betting range should get progressively smaller as the stacks get deeper."
"The problem here is that as we get deeper, the number of situations where we want a much bigger pot on the flop decrease considerably. With 100BB stacks hands such as high TPTK and overpair hands do well in 3-bet pots since the SPR is such that we can get all of the money in fast enough that RIO and Villain's odds of having flopped two pair/set aren't great enough that we need to account for it.
With deeper stacks we face the problem that even after a decent size 3-bet we could still have offered villain implied odds preflop for flopping sets and we also find ourselves on the flop with enough money behind to offer decent implied odds for draws. Also, since we will be more likely to enter 3-bet pots with cards such as suited connectors, we want to make sure that the postflop pot is large enough to make it easier to get villain's chips in on the turn/river when we hit our draws but small enough that we have the implied odds necessary to call to those draws."
http://www.leggopoker.com/forums/theory/three-betting-deep-stacks-100.html
Definitely need to add this into my game. Especially now that I'm defaulting w/ a 200BB stack, and hopefully greater!!
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If you aren't comfortable playing with 200BB stacks, I would certainly advise only buying in for 100BB on Absolute (I've actually started doing this unless I know there is someone at the table with >100BB that I have a significant, known edge over). I've gotten into a ton of sticky situations playing deep-stacked, and to me it wasn't worth it right now to "learn while doing."
If I want to practice my deepstack play, I'll drop a level and practice the concepts. However, at your normal level, I would suggest sticking to 100BB and playing from there for now... just my 2cents.
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If I want to practice my deepstack play, I'll drop a level and practice the concepts. However, at your normal level, I would suggest sticking to 100BB and playing from there for now... just my 2cents.
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