OneGreenChip

Personally I do not think this is a good spot for a bluff for two reasons. First, I doubt you get a fold. What is the range for this villain to be betting three streets here against two villains? He is not full of shit here, he has a legitimate hand. Second, if you had a flush draw, would you not raise here anywhere? I think many players raise the flop with a flush draw here, maybe I am mistaken. But this second point is small. The key here is that you are not going to get a fold IMO, with the size of the pot and stacks left behind.
 

I would raise any suited one gapper on the button vs a limper. The fact that the BB lead for three streets when he got two callers on each street signifies that he has a strong hand. Also outside of the fact that he most likely has a very strong hand, you cant really rep anything credible. When I find myself saying "wtf?" I will often look them up bc it is often a bluff.
 

dice, my standard play PF is to play it a lot stronger, as well. I took an alternate line because the previous two pots I picked up were too similar -- me raising on the button against limpers, and taking the pot down with Cbets on the first two streets. when I got a few limpers in there, I decided to just call and see if I flopped strong, and the flop didn't altogether disagree with me...

btimm, the stack to pot ratio was why I didn't shove at the end. It WAS donkalicious live poker, but I hadn't yet seen any evidence that the villain could lay down a big hand. His bet on the river said to me: "i have two pair or a set"

had he checked the river, I might have shoved it, but a $200 raise of a $100 bet into $90 pot gives him 4:1 to call, and that's not enough to drive him off unless my image is ultratight.
 

Agree with all posters and your assessment that you simply do not have fold equity in this spot. However, I think the major issue here is why you kept putting money into this pot. You state on your flop assessment that you have 6 outs, so why not call with your perceived implied odds. However, what should you really count as outs? Well there's 9 cards that will improve your hand (4 tens, 3 nines, and 2 sevens). However, one of the tens is a spade and completes the flush, as is one of the nines. The other nines, while they give you 2pr, make a straight for anyone holding a T. The 2 sevens give you trips, but also turns a made set into a full house.

Really, I don't like your position here because no card can come that gives you a solid lock on the hand. Truth be told, I probably fold this flop, but I certainly fold the turn and don't even consider bluff-shoving the river.
 

Something's wrong with your math.

If villain potted the turn, it would have been $32pot+$32(hisbet)+$32(MP)+$32(yourcall)= $128 on the river.

In which case you have $205 behind still. If he checks, you're overbet shoving. $205 to win $128. Before you'd say that you'd consider shoving on a $90 pot.

Always remember, the goal isn't to win the most pots, but the most money. It's such a dangerous board that could have hit him so many ways that I'm giving up in both scenarios on the river (villain check/villain bet). So, while you COULD have gotten a fold, most of the time a shove here simply isn't profitable.

As played, I'd call the flop, maybe, and realize that you don't have an indestructable hand if you do in fact hit.

Also, your logic for not raising because you'd done it before is stretching it, IMO. Villains hadn't started adjusting to your taking control of the pot and c-betting to take it down, so why stop? If they're letting you run all over them, then continue doing so.
 

looks like you're right on the math, mark.

$8 pot + 3 $8 bets = 32
32 pot + 3 $30 bets = 122
100 bet into 122 pot, me w/ 200 behind to make a decision.

didn't raise b/c essentially i was afraid of making the same button raise 3x in a row. Weak.

just looking at the play through his eyes. what range does villain put me on? that river card is terrible for him.

I am in no way saying that my line is solid...but AS PLAYED on river, i wondered if shove might be profitable. (now with correct math, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be, but they were all soooooo weak/tight) I hadn't logged enough hands with the guy to be sure, so I mucked it.
 

Why exactly is the river card terrible for him? Are you 100% sure during the hand that he didn't lead the flop and turn with a flush draw? Just because we have been "taught" certain lines with flush draws doesn't mean that all villains have. Also, I simply do not see the villain here betting near pot with a hand that he is not confident with -- it's too large to be a blocking bet IMO. I don't think you have enough information to conclude that As isn't exactly what villain is looking for on this river.