Monday, February 25, 2008

Damn

had a pretty solid session today. getting back to the old habits. most importantly, i felt myself getting tired at the 600 hand mark, and decided to call it a night.

GG, me.

I only had one really interesting hand come up in this session, and it was a -2 BI hand for me :(

I hadn't played a hand in about 4 orbits on this table -- both villains in this hand are tight, sharp, and aggressive. Primary villain just got sucked out on in a 200bb pot by 2nd villain. Others at the table are loose, weak, and not in this hand. Darn :D

I make a looser-than-usual raise from EP, since I've been rocky for a bit, and find myself playing a pot with suited connectors, out of position, against two TAGs. Suboptimal, but at least their lines will be a little more transparent.

I give the first villain a range of 22-TT/78s/45s/34s/maybe 65s
I think the 2nd villain, based on his overcall, is on a drawing hand as well.

Could have made my flop bet a little larger, 75% of pot instead of 50%.

The turn card only helps 99 and 78s. I feel pretty good about my PSB, and even better when I get a smooth call and a fold on this increasingly drawy board. I think an overpair or a set would have reraised me already to protect their hand.

River is dicey, and the villain makes a huge bet. I can't see this TAGgy villain calling two streets with a gutshot draw (although in retrospect, he might have done so with gutshot + pair).

So am I looking at 78? a smaller two pair? a set? or is this just a bluff, because he just got sucked out on in that 200BB pot?

I decided that I'm ahead of a decent part of his range, realize that this bet commits me, and get it all in. I don't think I like the play any more....not because of results, but because 99/78s/gutshot+pair combo weren't prevalent in my mind -- it looked to me like he was drawing to an OESD and got desperate on the river.

Bad read.
Comments:
This upsets me, not because of the result, but because of the logic. If you want to boost your bb/100, focus on your postflop logic and aligning with the proper action. If you want to get better, read on, as tough love is below.

1. As you get deeper, the value of suited connectors go up. Also, the value of made hands (think, JJ+) goes down. More important than any of these two concepts, positional value flies through the roof. So don't make excuses to raise just because you haven't played in 4 orbits. What does being "rocky for a bit" mean? Also, you've defined that this is suboptimal. You know it is. So why are you doing it? Discipline.

2. Range analysis is good. They'd almost definitely be raising TT+ when they're that deep.

3. YES. You're OOP and the board is draw heavy. Build the pot more. I wouldn't pot it, $3 works.

4. Good turn analysis. I'd be most worried about 78 as there are many more combinations of it. I also agree with your thoughts on the set. I think an overpair is "just calling" though. Your range still includes many overpairs which could have villain dominated.

5. River is dicey, but why? You need to do some analysis on what hands in his range just got there.

The biggest gap here is your river play and lack of a plan (at least in this write-up). This is a trend of yours that I've seen on other hands, it's the "I have better than TPTK so I want to get it all in on this river no matter what". This will lead to pissing a lot of money away as the river is the most expensive street and your biggest leak.

So here's your homework. Figure out your plan (bet/fold, bet/call, check/call, check/fold, etc.). How do you do this? Analysing villain's range and his actions.

Bastardization, but...
1. What's his range for calling your bet (hands that you beat and that beat you)? For raising (hands that beat you and that you beat)?
2. What's his range for checking if you check behind (hands that you beat and that beat you)? What's his range of betting (what hands beat you, what hands of his have little-to-no showdown value that he'll bluff with). If you check and he bets, what's his range for calling with hands that you beat??? Obviously, the villain's tendencies will come into play for all of this range analysis.

Once you figure all of this out, figure out the equity of all situations. From this, we'll figure out the best course of action.

Again, what I'm not seeing here is any sort of assigned range to what the villain would bet in this spot and that you beat (weighed against the pot odds and equity). I don't entirely think your check is wrong conceptually (I need to do the analysis myself) because you can snap off bluffs here, but raising here is just pissing away money.

IMO, there's almost NO hand in his range that he could be calling a check-raise with that you beat.

Do the homework, your BR will thank you.
 
ok. tuff luv is still luv.

so, after the flop, i gave both villains the same range.

v1 = 32/26/2.6/753
v2 = 30/21/3.6/460
range{99-22, 87s-34s}

which gives me
Hand 0: 46.723% 45.05%
Hand 1: 26.639% 24.90%
Hand 2: 26.639% 24.90%

i discounted sets and overpairs from villain 1 as he's a smart TAG, and would raise to protect his hands on a drawy board. villain 2 has similar tendencies, and both have high aggression factors. As we're deep, they will not be committing chips with made hands that could be outdrawn on the next two streets. One villain could have 24s already and be slowplaying which changes equity to:

40.6/29.7/29.7

but I think 24s is highly unlikely from v1, and somewhat unlikely from v2.

my plan on the flop is to bet -- a call from either or both villains weights their range towards drawing hands in this multiway pot, and a raise weights them towards sets/2pair/overpairs that they are trying to protect. I'm confident in this assessment, due to the # of hands I have on them and their high AF.

Both call the flop. I'm guessing they're drawing, and modify my hand ranges accordingly.

turn [3c 5d 6h, 9s]

range: (44, 87s-34s, 24s)
EQ: (26.7 / 36.6 / 36.6)

not a good card for me. my plan for the turn has to change at this point. I'm ahead of 34,44,45,67s, and behind 87,24. maybe 99 got unlucky and stuck around, but I don't think either of them would have check/called with it.

I still have to act first. I'm not sure I have the best hand, but if either of them are still drawing, I have to bet to protect it. Don't think I can call a raise at this point, with the arrival of the 9, so the plan is to bet/fold.

I bet the pot, v1 calls again, v2 folds. My hands still looks like an overpair, as I've bet two streets on a drawy board. v1 again declines the opportunity to protect a set/two pair/overpair, so I have to put him on either a straight draw or a made straight.

river [3c 5d 6h 9s 4h]

range [44,87s-34s, 24s]
EQ [21.9 / 78.1]

At this point, I'm ahead of 76s (3hands), 54s(3hands), 34s(2hands), and behind 44(3hands), 78s(16hands), 24s(3hands).

Here, what I should be doing is blockingbet/fold. Instead, with the arrival of the 4, I check. My mentality was: "My hand cannot stand a raise on the river."

Once I checked, and he bet, I realized that in light of the last hand the villain had gotten riversucked on, and his AFr of 70, he could be making a bluff at the river. As his line looked mostly like a gutshot draw to me, I made a read and went with it.

mistake 1: not bet/folding on the river. nothing's wrong with making a $10 bet here. If he missed with his OESD, he'll go away. If he raises, I can throw away my two pair on this board.

mistake 2: CRAI. Dumb. I'm not strong enough for this, here.
 
As his line looked mostly like a gutshot draw to me, I made a read and went with it.

should be

As his line looked mostly like an OESD to me, I made a read and went with it.
 
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